a reporter for "the new york time times", nick. i'm struck by what comes across to me with what seems to be the integrity of elijah cummings, the ranking member from maryland, the ranking member on the committee that issa heads. he has said he's looked at all the transcripts all the raw data, all the interviews with the irs officials in cincinnati and he has come to the conclusion that there's no evidence whatsoever that there was any influence outside the irs, in other words, the white house or any politicians to what happened there. screwups, whatever, bad management, whatever. yet, issa keeps playing this card of washington as if washington implies something beyond the irs. your thoughts on the honesty going on here? >> just to clarify for your viewers, all of the irs tax lawyers are in washington. even the ones that work on a case by case basis with people in cincinnati who are not tax lawyers. so when a troublesome case comes up, a tricky case, a case that has law questions, they go to cincinnati -- i'm sorry, to the lawyers i